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Mark [Part II]: Mark’s secret apocalypse
Secrets are hard to keep.
It’s not that we aren’t trustworthy people. It’s just that when something’s hidden, we are just bursting to uncover it. It is such a relief to get a secret out into the open.
But secrets, because they are secret, aren’t well known. They get misunderstood. And they take on a life of their own.
When Mark wrote his gospel, he was doing something that by all accounts was altogether new. ‘Gospel’ as a genre of writing had never been done before. ‘Gospel’ as a word was well known – it accompanied the proclamation of Caesars’ victories; ‘good news’ to all, supposedly. But Mark’s way of writing was stirring something revolutionary. It was an act of defiance, a new gospel, a proclamation of the good news of Jesus the Christ.
I personally think that Mark’s Gospel is the most theologically revolutionary book of the whole Bible. Paul did some pretty incredible things with Jewish theology – we’ll read about those during the second half of the year. But in the wake of Paul’s death around 65 CE, this first gospel – with rumours of its origin in Peter – finds its way into Christian communities with a secret message. A secret bursting to be set free.
Biblical scholars have long been fascinated by the ‘secretive’ nature of Mark’s Gospel; that Jesus often tells people to be quiet when all they want to do is shout about who he is. In 1901 William Wrede wrote an influential book about Mark called The Messianic Secret. In it he argued that Mark added the quotes about Jesus’ secrecy to explain why he didn’t seem very Messiah-like in his lifetime; his time had not yet come. But that’s not the kind of secret I’m talking about. In fact, I think it’s precisely the way that Jesus is not very like a Messiah that holds the key to unlock Mark’s astonishing message.
Mark’s markers
I’ve found reading Mark a little dangerous. Because there are small features, like tree roots along a leaf-strewn path, which continually trip me up and send me crashing down, forced to scrabble through to see the real road I’m travelling. But I’ve come to see these as carefully placed markers, designed to alert us as readers to the reality that lies under the surface of Mark’s story.
The first of these is right at the start of the gospel. John baptises Jesus and heaven is torn open; ‘the Spirit’ descends on him like a dove, and a voice says ‘You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased’ (1:11). Then, immediately, the Spirit sends him into the desert, where he is tempted by Satan (1:12). I am so familiar with that chain of events that I think I know it. But this is not Matthew or Luke. The clever battle with Satan is not outlined here. We simply have baptism and temptation, Spirit and Satan, together.
Then, still in chapter 1, Jesus drives out an evil spirit in Capernaum. As he does so, the demon screams out ‘I know who you are, the Holy One of God!’ Jesus silences the evil spirit immediately (vs.24–25). He also silences demons again in 3:11. Why? Mark says in v.34 that Jesus would not let the demons speak because they knew who he was. Does Jesus not want the demons to give the game away? Or were the demons liars? Demons haven’t gained their reputation from shouting the truth!
And then there’s the moment in chapter 4 when Jesus quotes Isaiah 6:9,10. He speaks in parables, he claims, so that people ‘may be ever hearing but never understanding, ever seeing but never perceiving, otherwise they may turn and be forgiven’! (Mark 4:12) Why would Jesus intend for people to be kept in darkness, to not understand, to not be forgiven? That does not make sense.
The puzzle of the empty tomb
Then there’s the ending. If you read Mark 16, your Bible should contain a footnote telling you that the most reliable versions of Mark’s Gospel don’t include vs.9–20. So let’s assume that Mark finished at v.8. Three women – powerless in Jewish society, whose testimony wouldn’t even count in a court of law – go to the tomb to anoint Jesus’ body. They arrive and the unnamed young man, who fled, naked and scared, in the Garden of Gethsemane (14:51–52) is sitting beside the empty tomb, reclothed in his white robe (16:5). Confidently he announces that Jesus has risen from the dead, and has gone ahead of his disciples into Galilee. ‘Trembling and bewildered’, the women flee and say nothing.
The end.
(crash) *picks himself up and curses the latest tree root*
What on earth?!
How is that in any way a reasonable way to end the account of Jesus? Mark has led us through an epic story, one that challenged the validity of the entire Jewish Temple system and its oppressive ruling class; one that eyeballed the arrogance of Rome and called people to allegiance to God instead. Then in a sudden nosedive, the awesome, inspiring Jesus, Messiah, is killed. Stumbling towards a bitter conclusion we read with only seconds of narrative remaining that he is risen and is waiting for us in Galilee, the revolutionary heartland where the story began. But what happened next? The only people to hear the news kept quiet. But somebody must have said something at some point or Mark couldn’t have written it down. Why has Mark stopped telling? What do we do now?!
You can really understand why somebody wanted to add a more satisfactory ending!
The confusing end to Mark makes me determined to sweep aside the leaves; as a reader I’ve tripped one too many times over strange writing. There’s something below the surface of my expectations which has to be uncovered; a secret that needs to break, an end to Mark that overcomes the fear. Because ‘whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open’ (4:22).
‘The Christ: whose son is he?’
There’s one other feature of Mark’s gospel that’s been undulating strangely beneath the surface. It’s the question of Jesus’ identity; is Jesus the ‘Son of God’, or the Son of Man, or the Son of David? In years gone by, scholars got very excited about figuring out the difference, believing that doing so would help unlock the riddle of Jesus’ divine/human nature. Eventually, however, they all gave up – rightly, because none of these titles say anything about whether Jesus was divine or not. What they do say, however, is what kind of Messiah Jesus was.
These three titles are the big names for the Messiah. And each carries with it a different meaning. The ‘Son of David’ was emphasised by those who believed the Messiah would come to restore the old Monarchy, banishing the Romans and reinstating the line of kings from Israel’s past. But in Mark’s gospel, Jesus is simply not interested in this idea. He deconstructs the name itself in 12:35–37, rejecting the idea that the Messiah would be a Son of David. This only serves to confirm what was hinted at only chapters before: that the only other character in Mark to name Jesus that way was a blind man who needed his sight restored (10:46–52).
The ‘Son of God’ is a more complex title. But I believe that there is evidence (drawing on the work of Yale scholar, Adela Yarbro Collins) that this was a messianic title emphasised by those who expected the violent overthrow of the Roman Empire in a cataclysmic word-ending showdown between the powers of light and the powers of darkness. Theirs was a violent God; the warrior Yahweh of the Old Testament, celebrated by a movement that worshipped in apocalyptic terms, waiting for the destruction of their enemies. The title ‘Son of God’ doesn’t appear much in Mark’s gospel, but when it does it is significant. The very first verse introduces Jesus as the Son of God for starters. But then the five other references fall into two camps. In 3:11 Mark says that whenever evil spirits saw Jesus they would cry ‘You are the Son of God’ and Jesus would silence them. This happens again with the ‘Legion’ of demons (a reference to the demonic oppression of Rome) in 5:6–8. The other three occasions, by contrast, are perhaps the most powerfully iconic moments of the story. At Jesus baptism a voice from heaven – which the reader assumes to be God – affirms Jesus as his son (1:11). At the Transfiguration the billowing clouds evoke memories of Yahweh at Mt Sinai, and a voice calls Jesus his son. (9:7). Then, thirdly, at the crucifixion a centurion remarks ‘surely this man was the Son of God’ (15:39). Does that make it a good title for Jesus, or a bad one? It’s a bit strange to find the demonic and the divine in such definite agreement.
Apocalypse then
Thirdly, there’s the ‘Son of Man’. This is by far Jesus’ preferred way of describing himself. But there’s a genre of writing that we need to known a little bit about, before we can really understand that title. It’s called apocalyptic, and it’s important in Jewish tradition. An ‘apocalypse’ is not a world-ending event, like we have come to understand it. It is a revelation, an unveiling. Apocalyptic writing tried to unmask the powers that controlled the world, and how God would control, subvert and ultimately destroy them, in the course of his work.
Mark borrows some of the themes of this genre in the way he tells his story. Once again, we’re generally too familiar with the gospel account to notice. But, to his first readers, the style would have been instantly recognisable.
There are three moments where Jesus’ sayings are direct references to apocalyptic writing – the same writing, quoted three times. The first is in Mark 8:38, where Jesus is speaking just days before his transfiguration. The second is in Mark 13, where Jesus predicts the destruction of the Temple. The third is Jesus’ confrontation with the Sanhedrin (Mark 14:62). In each of these places, Jesus speaks of the ‘coming of the Son of Man’. He’s evoking imagery from Daniel 7; strange ‘beasts’ have fought and conquered each other, and finally the ‘Ancient of Days’ takes his throne and the last beast is destroyed (the different beasts referring to the empires that had come and gone since the time of Daniel). Then, says Daniel:
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.” (Dan 7:13–14)
So we’re reading Mark, and we’re hit with a vision of an awesome Jesus, coming to administer the end of the Roman empire on the clouds of heaven, and to establish his kingdom on the earth.
Isn’t God great?
The Son of God or the Son of Man: which is Jesus, and does it matter? Both messianic titles bear an apocalyptic tint and both herald an end to Roman oppression. The thing is, when Jesus breaks convention and addresses God as ‘Father’, of whom he is the ‘son’ takes on a new importance.
Let me paint a picture here, based on these various tricksy tree roots. The Spirit that descended on Jesus at his baptism leads him to Satan. The demons – famous for their lies – want to associate Jesus with God. And Jesus’ whole ministry is about making some secret known – a secret that could overturn everything; a secret that nobody seems able to see.
So let’s look a little harder.
The passage in Isaiah from which Jesus quotes in Mark 4 is well known as the place where Isaiah receives his commission from Yahweh. The vision of Israel’s almighty God is breathtaking; the train of Yahweh’s robe fills the entire Temple, as seraphs – fearsome beasts of the heavenly court – sing ‘Holy’ to the Lord till the very foundation shake and smoke pours through the ancient space. As Isaiah meekly offers his service to Yahweh, the Lord’s voice comes back to offer the words that Jesus’ quotes: ever seeing never perceiving, always hearing but never understanding. ‘For how long?’ Isaiah groans, clearly distressed by this futile mission. ‘Till the cities lie ruined’, replies Yahweh, ‘and the Lord has sent everyone away, and the land is utterly forsaken’ (6:11–12).
Imagine you are a Galilean revolutionary living around 70 C.E. and the Roman’s are destroying Jewish infrastructure. The future seems bleak. But Mark’s Gospel tells you it’s ok. This is all part of God’s plan. Jesus was like a new Isaiah – speaking in parables as God withheld understanding; predicting judgement till God’s people have been humbled by a foreign empire. Soon, however, Jesus will come on the clouds to oversee the destruction of this empire and the establishment of the Kingdom of God. What a glorious Messiah and an awesome God!
The problem, of course, is that in the very next chapter after Jesus confronts the Temple rulers with these heroic words, he’s hanging on Pilate’s cross, dead.
So much for a Messiah who can defeat the Romans; so much for the kingdom of God!
Blasphemy?
Questions abound in the wake of Jesus’ death: questions about his mission, and questions about his God. For when Jesus was hung out to die, heaven held silent, leaving only a centurion to speak. It’s the climax of a whole raft of uncomfortable moments, starting with his baptism and unnerving onward from there.
For anyone reading Isaiah has to ask what kind of God deliberately blinds people to his message so that he has justification for destroying their society.
When we look back on Jesus’ baptism, we were surprised by its almost analogous link with temptation; between the voice from the heaven and Satan. And if we fast-forward to the transfiguration with Moses and Elijah, we find we have just come from a scene where Jesus rebuked Peter as ‘Satan’ for suggesting he wouldn’t have to die. Moses and Elijah are the two towering pillars of Jewish faith who never died! According to tradition they were just taken up into heaven. The association of Jesus with these two giants of Israel is negative, not positive here. So why is the voice from the clouds a wonderful moment of affirmation? Isn’t it a shuddering false-start to the coming of the Son of Man on the clouds that Jesus claimed would be seen by those with him, just six days before? (9:1-2)
We saw already that there was a bizarre agreement between the demonic and the ‘divine’ over the use of Son of God as a title for Jesus. The one exception to this is the centurion in 15:39. But at the excorcism in Geresa, Mark has already linked the Roman army with demonic occupation (5:1–20). Doesn’t the centurion’s voice count amongst the lying demons? And doesn’t Yahweh’s too? Don’t they all speak this lie with one voice? They call Jesus the Son of God, when in fact he is no such thing. No Son of Yahweh anyway.
Blasphemy?
I believe that for Mark, the denial of this idea is blasphemy.
The oppressors’ God
We don’t use the name Yahweh now. Yet the Old Testament is full of his presence. So it might seem like a denial of the Bible, of Christian tradition, of everything we understand about Jesus to say that Yahweh was an evil personality within the world of the New Testament.
But I think this is because we might be jumping to a few conclusions about how religion, theology and scriptures work in a society.
It wasn’t that long ago that Christians in the UK used the Bible to justify the slave trade. It was even more recently that Christians in the US used the bible to justify racial segregation. And in South Africa those doctrines are still engrained in the soul of the church’s living memory. Does that mean that God wants us to separate and oppress people on the basis of their ethnicity? Is that what the Bible tells us to do?
The simple answer is no. That’s why Christians have also been at the forefront of campaigns to rid all these societies of these oppressive evils.
But the complex answer is both no and yes. Take Ezra, for example. After he discovers cross-national marriage amongst the Jews he forces families to break up and sends the non-Israelite wives away, effectively widowed (Ezra 10). Joshua leads an ethnic cleansing on behalf of Israel at Yahweh’s command (Josh 10:40). Zechariah ends his prophetic vision with a dream of future Canaanite exclusion (14:21). There is ample argument in the Old Testament for a rigorous, ethnically ‘pure’, violently enforced, religious society. Just as there are counter-themes which confront that idea.
Anyone writing against the ills of UK or US or South African oppression would be justified in rejecting the God that lay behind that evil, just as many in the West have done. The question, however, would be whether God can be redeemed; is the idea of God so intertwined with his callous history to be unworthy of repair? Or can ‘God’ recover from this PR nightmare?
I believe that all the evidence points to a New Testament world in which an understanding of Yahweh had become poisoned by the strains of Old Testament tradition which portrayed Yahweh as a fearsome, violent God, full of vengeance and dispassionate judgement. Even those who worshipped a more gracious version of Israel’s God celebrated the power of his sovereignty in crushing rebellious nations underfoot. The ‘Son of God’ as a title was tied up with visions of this divine oppression, celebrations of Yahweh’s warrior wrath accompanying its use. No wonder Mark, champion of the oppressed and nemesis of Jewish-Roman oppression, lifts his sights to the brooding storm clouds overhead and exposes the pseudo-God they hide.
Mark, as I read him, rejects Yahweh. Matthew, on the other hand, attempts to redeem him. That is the difference between the two gospels. Which of the writers succeeds and which fails is a powerful consideration for our contemporary theology.
The Father of the Son of Man
If Yahweh is just a pretender to the throne of the divine, who then is the true God of Mark’s Gospel? To answer this we return, once again, to the deafening silence of Yahweh. Because when we revisit the Messiah on the cross, a new apocalypse (revelation) dawns. The Son of Man is exposed here, amidst clouds that plunge the land into darkness. Echoes of Daniel 7 ring again; the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, led into the presence of the Ancient of Days, by the tearing of the Temple curtain. For Mark’s first readers, the destruction of the Temple by Rome – that apocalyptic moment that would define their generation – was only an echo of the truly defining revelation (apocalypse) of God himself as a man on a cross. Yahweh is nowhere to be heard, as heaven this time stays silent. Yet the ancient one, with a guttural groan from the depths of time, heaves under the weight of suffering. Jesus death is not the failure of the Son of Man; it is his glory. For here, on this Roman cross, the Father of the Son of Man is revealed. A God on the side of humankind. God, no longer LORD, but God as human. This is indeed blasphemy, according to the religious rulers – the kind that could get you killed. But for people living in oppression it is the saving gospel of Jesus. The announcement in the face of Caesar’s domination and Jerusalem’s destruction is that God is among the oppressed, never to be counted amongst the oppressors.
Mark’s Jesus is a revolutionary, just like Matthew’s. And Mark’s Jesus, just like Matthew’s, gets into trouble with the Jewish authorities and then the Romans, and ends up being executed. Because Mark’s Jesus is a political and religious dissident who believes that a new world is within reach, just beyond the suffocating shroud of the present system. Unlike Matthew, however, Mark’s Jesus won’t stop at critiquing religious and political systems; his revolutionary vision overthrows the throne of God himself and declares its incumbent a fake. The Yahweh of Israel’s history has bred only domination. But the God and Father of this Jesus, Messiah, suffers with sacrificial love. In his scarred hands lies healing hope. In his footsteps walk disciples of courage; those who will take up their cross on behalf of the oppressed and die to the world and its violence.
‘How can Satan drive out Satan?’ asks Jesus (3:23). How can oppression overcome oppression? How can violence defeat and silence violence? The strong man must be bound before he can be robbed (3:27). The cycle must be broken, before there can be change.
The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to equate God with Satan (3:28–30); to claim God loves to work in the same way as the demons’ prince. The blasphemy Mark exposes is the equating of God with the violent and vengeful Yahweh. The blasphemy we risk today is to make our ‘God’ in similar vein.
The big secret
Somehow the secret broke.
It always does.
The women said nothing, out of fear. But you cannot keep a good secret down. It always breaks. The bizarre ending to Mark is the beginning of a new journey, for those women, for Peter, for the disciples, and for us.
The secret is the grain of light in the darkness that gets into your eye and irritates. The secret prises open the possibilities and lets the reader wonder at what might be. The secret of the revelation of a new God busts open the shutters onto a fresh vision for humanity. Peace, love, hope, compassion; these are the hallmarks of the kingdom of this God. With the risen Jesus ahead of us in Galilee, the rumour of a revolution rings again. This one could overturn the world, and recreate it with deep and divine justice.

awesome thoughts... for me
awesome thoughts...
for me the questions that arise are for how we still may worship a distant God not a loving Father - how do our actions confirm who we worship? Is it out of fear or acceptance? How much of our relationship with God is founded on misunderstanding or lies? Sometimes there seems just not to be the same freedom as we see the early church living out. How many times do I miss out on what God wants me to do when I'm so concerned with serving him?
What is the benefit though of seeing God as the powerful creator of the universe who in the OT wiped out people who refused him? When we see this God apparently completely changed in the NT... Perhaps the fact that we know His might, power and jealousy, but that these are reflected and made complete in sending His Son - the might of spiritual overcoming physical in all aspects of Jesus' life and ministry, the power of death being broken by life and His jealousy being for all people to know Him.
When Mark was writing he knew the OT and the power displayed - and it comes across in the way Jesus is portrayed in the gospel, the fast paced action, the no holds barred, no nonsense action. Jesus is powerful, but almost like an undercover agent! Strong yet invisible. Why send an army when one man can bring down a nation? The fact that Mark ends in such a 'unfulfilled' way (at least to the modern reader) surely leads us to go meet him - to find out more. It's like the biggest cliff hanger ever! All of those questions that we thought would get answered now hang without foundation or any hope of resolution - unless we seek him out. The empty tomb and the suggestion that he is waiting is so enticing and intriguing! It's as if he wants the reader to go find out more - or at least find some one who knows more. I suppose it goes along with what you suggested about secrets - when you hear one - you want to find out from the person if its true.
God's biggest kept secret?
Thanks for all your posts mate - always helpful, challenging and interesting
What a wonderful way of
What a wonderful way of putting it, Trev...
All of those questions that we thought would get answered now hang without foundation or any hope of resolution - unless we seek him out.
I think you're absolutely right. That's an idea that first got me into Mark. I read a commentary by Ched Myers called Binding the Strong Man who made me realise the power of the cliff hanger. The ending makes you want to re-read the gospel to see what you missed, but it makes you desperate to find this Jesus and work out what being his disciple would mean in your own life.
Thanks so much for an inspiring comment. :o)
hi val - really interesting
hi val - really interesting piece. as ever much to ponder!
as i'm sure you realise, what you are saying is radical and the implications will reach far beyond just an isolated reading of mark. as a wise south african never tired of saying, any reading comprises of starting points, reading strategy and pool of shared information...so some quick questions which spring to my mind on some of your starting points...
1) do demons always have to lie? for instance the serpent was pretty much right about most things....
2) in what way was jesus transfiguration and appearance with elijah and moses negative? i struggle to read it in this way...
3) 'the yahweh of israel's history has bred only domination' - certainly large parts of ot which we would wish were not there but what about the prophetic tradition through which yahweh speaks.... prophets die and perhaps this is a helpful stream of ot theology through which to see jesus 'the last prophet'. or the jubilee tradition (even if never realised) or the injunctions regarding widows and orphans?
4) agreed that the bible is used in many horrendous ways to legitimatize evil. however does this implicate god? does this not imply a 'divine dictation' view of the bible / that the biblical material is actually able to capture Yahweh is his entirety? isn't all biblical material the interaction of the human imagination, the historical context and the spirit of god, making the bible essentially (and wonderfully!) contingent (and potentially unhelpful as ethical norms for successive generations).
5) are there not ot images - such as the god revealed in hosea - that reveal yahweh to also be one who suffers with sacrificial love?
6) if you are right, would we not expect to see greater seperation/antithesis in the early church's relationship to the judaism. it took paul to shake peter (we his links to the origins of mark's gospel) out of seeing christianity as entirely at home within Judaism.
for what it is worth - i see mark, with the same pastoral impulses and theological genius of deutero isaiah, moving Israel's story on. this doesn't mean rejecting yahweh but reconfiguring belief in the nature of israel's god. the story develops but that doesn't demand that what has gone before is invalid -simply that the story has moved on and with it our understanding (blatant aping of n t wright's five act model of interpretation here!). some aspects of previous beliefs are challenged and left behind and other streams are expanded on and move from the periphery to the centre. this obviously has implications for our view of the bible and progressive revelation but without resorting to marcionite ot / nt distinctions which, i at least, struggle to resolve.
woo, thanks for commenting so
woo, thanks for commenting so fully - these are really important points. Let me try and answer each one.
1) I think that it is a reasonable starting point to assume that within the world of first century literature, demons are the personification of evil forces. As for them being hell-bent on lying, I think this is an obvious next step from that assumption. However, in my experience, the most pervasive and dangerous lies are distortions of the truth, rather than flagrant falsehoods. In this context, I'm not actually arguing that Jesus is not the Son of God. What I'm saying is that the title 'Son of God' had come to mean something in first century society that did not apply to Jesus. That Jesus was the Son of God, therefore, was indeed a lie when it came from the mouth of a demon - the kind of lie that was a subtle distortion of a glorious truth.
2) I can understand the difficulty with this. It takes a willingness to make a few symbolic leaps within the text - something that I think Mark works hard to encourage, but not obviously. It is only the experience of tripping over tree roots, as it were, combined with the the unsatisfactory ending that pushed the reader to read the whole thing again, that makes me look harder to see if there is something else unexpected going on here. So I acknowledge that I go back to Mark 9 looking for something unusual. But I think that the way Mark is constructed makes that the obvious thing to do.
To try and make it a bit clearer why I read it this way, I've included below an edited version of how I have argued this elsewhere:
In Mark 8 Jesus quotes Dan 7 and says that the Son of Man will come in ‘the glory of his Father with the holy angels’ (8:38), and some of those there with him as he speaks will see it (9:1). Then Jesus is transfigured, with Elijah and Moses, two signs of the new age, and Yahweh himself appears in Sinaitic cloud, the most reliable theophanic sign available. So we the reader ask: is this the ‘glory’ of his ‘Father’, right here, right now? The elements seem to be there; even two most revered saints/angels are there. Like Peter, we are confused; we do not know what to think. But then it all disappears and the narrative continues. At the moment of crucifixion, however, we begin to understand. The ‘glory’ of the Father of the Son of Man is seen here through the actions of the Son, suffering of the cross. Thus the revelation of the Father of the Son of Man occurs at this apocalyptic climax and the theological symbolics of the Markan narrative come tumbling into view. Jesus addressed God as Father, yet called himself the Son of Man. With the powers fallen and the Temple torn, the Davidic tradition and the imperial tradition of Yahweh are displayed as no better than oppressive powers of Rome or the Sanhedrin.
And so we now look back upon both the Baptism and the Transfiguration with new eyes. The voice from the clouds would have us believe that Jesus was the Son of Yahweh. But Jesus is standing next to the two great prophets of Israel who, according to tradition, never died! Surely Jesus’ forbidding of the disciples to speak of what they had seen in fact echoes the silencing of Peter in 8:33. The great power of the imperial Yahweh may be brought to bear on the question of the suffering Messiah, but he will ultimately be exposed by the suffering of the Son of Man. Thus what had excited us as theophany, now seems dark and frightening. For when the Son of Man was suffering most, heaven held silent. Myers is right. It is only the Powers who seek to name Jesus as the Son of ‘Yahweh’. The ‘God’ who spoke from heaven is no better than the demons of Jewish religion or Roman occupation; no better than the murderous Roman executioner. The Father of the Son of Man, however, whose way is suffering, in whose footsteps Jesus the Messiah follows, is, by contrast, a God on the side of humankind; a God whose voice rang out, not from the clouds, but from the cross.
I would appreciate knowing whether that makes any more sense or still sounds equally unconvincing. :o)
3) That line you quote was me summarizing my understanding of Mark's position, not a statement from me about Yahweh. I'm not necessarily saying that Mark is correct in his perspective on Yahweh. In fact, my theory is that Matthew wrote his Gospel in response to Mark's precisely to play out the same stories of Jesus' religious and political challenge, without it resulting in a fundamental challenge to the Yahweh of Jewish tradition. In that sense, I see Matthew as a creative Jewish-Christian response to Mark's radical theological ideas. But - as I pointed out here - I think some aspects of Jesus' radical challenge to oppressive power suffer as a result.
4) Great question. I would reframe your point and say that it is not that the Bible does not fully capture Yahweh, but that the Bible does not fully capture God. Yahweh is just a name for God that brings with it a whole stack of associations. It's a way of talking about God that makes clear he is not Marduk (Babylonian), Ba'al (Canaanite), Chemosh (Moabite) etc. Moreover, Elohist tradition in the Old Testament makes it obvious that Yahweh was not the only strand of theological identity in Israelite tradition, even if his name becomes synonymous with the God of Abraham and his covenant (see my post on Numbers for that argument in more detail). Therefore, Mark's critique of Yahweh does not equal a fundamental rejection of God. It equals a thoroughgoing challenge to the idea that Yahweh has the credentials to be the God of the oppressed, i.e. of Israel under Roman rule, in the way of Jesus.
5) There are definitely lots of places in the Old Testament where Yahweh is portrayed as deeply loving, a champion of justice, a defender of the weak, a kind and gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love and faithfulness! So I would reinforce my point that I am not necessarily arguing Mark's assessment of Yahweh is fair; I think he makes it nonetheless. I also think it's important to point out the distinction between truth and perception. If Yahweh had developed a reputation for excessive violence, that doesn't necessarily mean that reputation is fair. But if the reputation existed then that is what we should understand the critique to be aimed at.
6) Yes, this is true. But Paul's disagreement with Peter is a) told from Paul's point of view, and b) something that happened before the writing of Galatians which is generally recognised to be the first book of the New Testament to be written (c.55 CE). Mark's Gospel would not have been written until 66 CE at the earliest, so there is likely a period of at least 15 years (and almost certainly more) between that event and the challenges that faced the Jewish faith under the Roman siege of Jerusalem, during or after which Mark is writing. (And in the rapid period of theological catch-up following Jesus, 15 years is a long time!) My perspective on the wider issue is that the Jewish/Roman war is an important context for sealing the fate of the ongoing Jewish/Christian relationship - that a clearer break between the two was created at this point as the importance of the political response to Rome was brought into sharper focus. In fact, understanding the rupture that occurred with Mark's gospel makes more sense of the theological genesis of Christianity as an independent religious movement.
So all this really leads me to agree with you to a large extent that Mark takes Israel's story on, but I don't think he is quite 'reconfiguring belief in the nature of Israel's god' (though I think that is a significant New Testament theme - I would see Paul and John doing that in particular). However, I am certain that Mark believed that Jesus' words and Messiahship, though a challenge to the dominant Jewish understanding, was fundamentally rooted in the Jewish tradition from which Jesus came. In that sense I think his gospel points towards a new revelation of God; having rejected Yahweh as perceived by the world in which he lived, he develops Israel's journey with a radical theological creativity to narrate the God made clear in Jesus, a God that had been hiding in the background of Israel's history all along.
(And on that basis I absolutely reject the charge of being a Marcionite - and you are not the first to level it at me! ;o) ).
Matt - you are a wonderful
Matt - you are a wonderful writer and I love your posts. I have however learned to take anyone's allusions to 'secret knowledge' with a pinch of salt ;-)
Hmmm, definitely, me too. But
Hmmm, definitely, me too. But then I'm also prepared with a full handful of salt for those who claim that their knowledge is sufficient. (Especially if they own the army and have all the money.) :o)
On reflection, I want to give
On reflection, I want to give a bit more clarity on this point because it is important.
Early Christian history was plagued by claims of 'secret knowlegde'. The 'Gnostic' movement, in its various strains, concocted a version of psuedo-Christian spirituality that was only accessible to those with access to the 'gnosis' (knowledge). Gnostism tended to drive a sharp wedge between the material world (bad) and the spiritual world (good). Those who could reject the material world and excel in the 'spiritual' realm joined a club of elite 'Christians' with the secret knowldge, whatever the secret knowlegde was.
I think this is the secret knowlegde that MattW1ls0n is referring to.
But the secret that I am talking about here in Mark is completely different - if anything it is the polar opposite. Because Mark's secret is one that is revealed to the oppressed - to those who aren't in some elite intellectual club - but hidden from the 'Powers' (the Jewish and Roman oppressors). Mark's secret is a revolutionary secret that empowers those excluded from the kingdom of Caesar; it is a secret that breaks out among the fearful, of a new kingdom: the kingdom of God.
So, I'd disagree with this
So, I'd disagree with this and guess could ramble on for days as to why, but I could probably summarise it in a few logical following questions;
Who or what then is this Yahweh mentioned in the Bible? If he's multiple God's all confused by the Israelites (as you imply) then how do we know when the Bible is talking about the true God and how do we know when he talks about the false God? Is it just a question of decided which of the Yahweh passages you like and then saying that's about the real God?
But can their even be a real God anymore? If Matthew and Mark are set against each other as to who YAHWEH is, then surely we don't have a leg to stand on? If we will not recognise our Master's voice then our hope has no security.
What strikes me is this, you want a nice novel way of reading Mark that is your own, and you've found one that suits you as this one allows you to gloss over God's anger and wrath at sin and evil, and what's more it sounds elegant and clever. Which is saddening, because you clearly know the Bible so well, and yet you seem to delight so little in the God who is presented there, delight yourself in YAHWEH David tells us, but you don't! Rather you call Him out as a fraud! Who is this God you say? I shall not have Him and joy there, but rather one of my own creating? Why? Why not rest in the goodness of God to you, and spend the years enjoying His presence and knowing him more and more? I don't know whether to weep at this or yell at the blasphemy to my God.
Thanks for your comment Mark.
Thanks for your comment Mark. You've raised important questions.
As I've commented above, there is a distinction between the person of Yahweh in the Old Testament and the perception of that person at the time that Mark and Matthew write their gospels. The point I'm making here is that the perception of Yahweh had generally become pretty negative and that's what I think Mark's Jesus challenges.
But beyond that you imply a question about the consistency of the Bible's portrayal of God. I accept that if we start to identify contradictory images of God that leads us to ask the question: can we trust the Bible?
But to answer that question with a 'crumbs, maybe not - therefore we'll have to assume that the portrayal of God in the Bible is consistent after all' is to build a view of scripture on our fears, rather than on what we read in the Bible itself.
My argument is that there are many competing traditions at play in the scriptures and they each bring a slightly - or significantly - different view of God to the table. (I've tried to document this across the whole Old Testament and a good portion of the New via the commentary on this site.)
For me that doesn't reduce the power of the Scriptures or undermine its place in our lives and faith; quite the opposite! It is the dynamic conversation which the Bible opens us and invites us into which provides the context for our theological faith journey; a pilgrimage to the God and Father of Jesus which continually inspires, challenges and surprises us.
Maybe I'm being obtuse here,
Maybe I'm being obtuse here, you say the point you're making is the perception of Yahweh had generally become pretty negative. And you define negative as being vengeful and angry and crushing the evil nations. What are you saying about the Old Testament Yahweh passages then? That they are wrong? That only some of them are wrong? I don't ask this rhetorically, I'm just not sure I understand what you're saying?
That's a really well-put
That's a really well-put question. Because you're right - the implication of what I'm saying is wider than just the perception of Yahweh; it has to relate in some way to actual Old Testament accounts of Yahweh as well.
A succinct answer won't do a complex subject justice, but hopefully it will give you a sense of what I see in the Bible.
The Old Testament is formed from the collective writings of a people. These writings are collated from across different traditions within Israel. Within that mix there are a lot of different ideas about God and how he should be followed, what worship should look like (in terms of ritual), of ethics, of national identity, etc.
The collation and editing of these writings into what we call the Scriptures gives us a diverse portrait of God.
Therefore, we can't read the Bible and easily say 'God is like this' or 'God is like that' without finding some counter-example to contradict it.
A standard response to this difficultly is to say that God is beyond our understanding; that he is all-loving but also all-holy and therefore what appears to be the perpetration of evil - mass murder, ethnic exclusion, etc. - is in fact justified. Many will say that God is God and we need to submit to that. I want to say that I find that a non-theology which is the ethical equivalent of sitting on the fence during The Holocaust, or Apartheid, or any other number of horrendous events in history which have explicitly used parts of the Old Testament to justify their oppression, injustice and murder.
I am sure that God is God. I am just not sure that the Bible reveals him all that clearly.
But the clearest revelation we do have - from a Christian perspective - is Jesus, who according to John 'was God' and according to Paul, 'is the image of the invisible God'. And Jesus' teaching and ministry challenged violence ('love your enemies'), and called people to bring a 'kingdom of God' through peace and not by force - which was the popular expectation at the time.
So it seems to me that unless we want to engage in an extremely complicated routine of intellectual gynmastics that tries to reconcile all the images of Yahweh in the Old Testament (let alone reconcile all of those with all the parts in which God goes by other names - and let alone all of those with the life and teaching of Jesus), we have to be prepared to challenge some of the images of God in the Bible.
This is a difficult process and there aren't easy answers. But, for me, it is the only way to be faithful to the Scriptures to which I am so committed. To treat them with kid gloves - as I see the church more readily doing - is an insult to their life and depth, in my opinion.
So to give a straight answer to your question: I don't believe that all of the passages of the Old Testament that speak of Yahweh can be a true revelation of the God and Father of Jesus. But I'm not throwing them out. For example, I would say the Word of God to me through the book of Joshua is 'look how easily people co-opt God to their own nationalistic ends'. I don't say that glibly, but only after careful study through which I find that I cannot reconcile the God of Joshua with the God of Jesus. Thus the Bible is still the Word of God to me, but that Word comes in my dialogue with the Scriptures rather than as a one-way communication to me as reader.
I'm not sure we'll ever
I'm not sure we'll ever really agree here, because fundamentally I think we're arguing from two different places, but I'll say this:
1) I think, that the God revealed in the Old Testament is the same Trinitarian God revealed in the New Testament (aside: Did you know Calvin said that whenever we read YAHWEH we should assume unless shown otherwise from the text that they are writing of the pre-incarnate Christ?). I think this, because that's how Jesus and the apostles treat the Old Testament.
2) Above that, I think that God reveals Himself to us in Christ. I think on coming to faith we see Christ by faith, and this is a rational act. So our eyes are opened to see the light of the knowledge of glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ (2 Cor 4:6). And we do this through hearing His Word spoken to us. Again this is rational.
3) When you say "Therefore, we can't read the Bible and easily say 'God is like this' or 'God is like that' without finding some counter-example to contradict it." but that doesn't mean God's revelation is not consistent. Actually I think the Bible would say that it is clear. What is not clear is our eyesight. We're not good at seeing things God's way, and so we need to submit willingly to His Word so that he can teach us how to see it properly.
4) To say that scripture isn't clear and so we can't be firm on some things may seem like humility, but it's not. To quote Piper (you could probably guess I like John Piper) "It's like a servant claiming: 'I am not smart enough to know which person here is my master—or even if I have a master.' The result is he doesn't have to submit to any master and can be his own master. His vaunted weakness is a ruse to cover his rebellion against his master." [THINK - Piper - IVP]
5) As I said, I'm therefore not really sure how we can engage in discussion. We could go through the OT and debate whether that act is in keeping with God of Jesus (Aside again: I'd probably say that to say it is only goes half way, after all, having Jesus just hanging out waiting to be incarnated doesn't seem to fit the Bible. So really those acts we read about in the Old Testament are about Jesus) but we'd probably just butt our heads. I'd say submitting to the Word (because in doing so you're submitting to God) is pretty much essential to understanding it. If you don't submit to it you won't understand it. That sounds like I'm saying you're not submitting to the Word of God. On reflection I am, but I recognise that's a comment I'm making a) not knowing you b) not having read more of what you've written and c) being an arrogant dick myself. This maybe something that I sent Jesus to the cross for, but I think that's what you're doing.
Oh, addendum 6) I'd be more
Oh, addendum
6) I'd be more convinced of this uncertainty towards the truth of the Old Testament idea if occasionally people who had it decided to therefore throw out all the passages about God being loving and caring in the Old Testament because they were inconsistent with Jesus's teaching about hell, death and judgement. But no-one ever goes that way. Everyone always sacrifices the bits of the OT that make God less cuddly.
I hear people saying this a
I hear people saying this a lot, Mark. But I don't understand it.
1) Jesus teaching on hell and judgement is always directed against the religious leaders or the rich and powerful who oppressed others and excluded anyone 'unclean' in the name of Yahweh. So if anything, that teaching also challenges the violent, ethnically motivated oppression of the Old Testament.
2) Why would we be more inclined to appreciate violence and hatred than love and compassion? Dying on a cross because you love the world is hardly cuddly! But surely it is a more compelling picture of how to make the world a better place than appealing to even more violence?
It's not the soft-option to embrace love. It's the path of the disciple who takes up their cross.
Thanks for your comments
Thanks for your comments Mark. It's a key question, I think: What does 'submitting to God's Word' actually mean?
The problem with Piper's comment - whose teaching you can probably guess I don't like ;) - is that (in true Calvinist style) he assumes the worst of people. It really is supremely arrogant, in my opinion, to assume that because someone doesn't accept the same authority that he does, that they are somehow disingenuous!
I am committed to Jesus as my Master. But what that means on the path of discipleship is a day-to-day discovery; a passionate searching and seeking. I can hardly follow Jesus with my whole life if I have to leave my brain behind. Unless Piper thinks Jesus just wants an army of automatons!
But I think the key difference here is that you think the Bible is coherent and consistent - even if it doesn't appear to be so. And your response is to 'submit willingly to His Word so that he can teach us how to see it properly.'
I think the Bible is neither fully coherent nor consistent. And I'm not sure how you submit to something or someone if you don't really know what they're saying or who they are. So my response is to wrestle with the scriptures in the belief that through my wrestling I will hear the whispers of God.
i'm not sure you need to weep
i'm not sure you need to weep or yell. I also don't think it's blasphemy to try to understand what the Bible, the people that wrote it and Jesus are saying.
Surely we want to try our hardest to understand the book and the God on which we base our lives? I think the Bible can survive being studied and dissected as it has for hundreds of years. There were things about God which people were convinced of for years that we would no longer hold true. (Beliefs that justified genocide, slavery, apartheid, the Holocaust, the crusades...) surely our understanding of him grows as we interpret and reinterpret the world around us, ourselves, our God and the Bible.
Whether what Matt is suggesting here is right or wrong, I believe it is important and good to ask new questions of scripture, to try fresh thinking and see if it opens up a fuller understanding of the Bible and of God. And perhaps call in to question some things we believe that perhaps need reinterpretation.
I found this post helpful in trying to understand a little more about what titles such as son of david, son of man, son of God mean - it means very little to us who read about it in the 21st century. perhaps we have more to learn...
As for asking questions of the Yahweh that was being portrayed by the religious leaders; perhaps they were giving people the wrong idea of who God was and is? Jesus' passion against these religious leaders (shown time after time throughout his ministry) shows us it was somewhere near the top, if not top, of his agenda to ask these questions and find a different - fuller - way of understanding God.
Yahweh is after all just a name for God, given to try and help the people of Moses time understand him better - he was known by many other names before then - does that mean God changed? Or just people's perception of him? Perhaps with the new covenant Jesus wanted to do something similar - to bring a new perspective of God. Him coming to earth as a human and dying on the cross certainly suggests that God was ready for people to understand him differently and that he wasn't entirely happy with the Yahweh being preached - anyone can see that Jesus life and teachings strongly suggest this too.
I find this article incredibly interesting and it has given me much to think about. I desperately want to approach the Bible with the respect it deserves and I think that being afraid to ask any questions or put forward challenging ideas is not giving it this respect.
I am no scholar and have certainly not read lots of books but I am very passionate about God and the life and ministry of Jesus and about how God is perceived and worshiped. I am on my own journey of discovering and rediscovering constantly who God is and personally find this website an invaluable part of that journey.
Thanks Matt for such an
Thanks Matt for such an interesting post which yet again has got my old brain cells trying to work!! It has obviously brought with it a certain amount of critique :-)
I think I do need to read the blog and all the following comments again but I would like to share some of my immediate thoughts. Please forgive my very rudimentary take - I am no scholar!
We do often see in our world people painting a picture of who God is or declaring what God wants, often for their own ends. Many of these things were mentioned by Rachel in the above post. I am sure if God could edit a lot of sermons being taught about Him today he would make some great changes. Our perspective is after all a human one based on our experience, it is a dangerous place to be if you think you fully know and understand our Great God. Marks gospel shows a challenge to the Jewish understanding of their God. A people who were sick of being bullied wanted their God to come and whop some Roman butt, I think that is understandable!! But instead God acts the opposite way! The cross shows that Gods kingdom is not about being the most powerful even if that means submission to death on the cross. What a challenge to the Yahweh of the Jewish understanding!
Just as the Jews image/idea/perspective of God was challenged so is ours. We have to be careful not to fall into the same trap as the Jews, not recognising when God is at work because we assume to know how God will respond in any given situation. I believe we can only truly gain this by walking with God, having a relationship. I believe God does want us to explore him and who he is, even if it means challenging some of the long held beliefs of the Church. This isn't questioning Gods authority, this exploration of character and interaction is what relationships are based on.
this exploration of character
this exploration of character and interaction is what relationships are based on
That's so helpful Rachel. Otherwise what do we have except the leaves of an ancient text? Great insight.
Missing Sorry I'm late to
Missing
Sorry I'm late to this. Matt I'm surprised you've missed out the trial scene. I think that would take your argument in a different direction. In that scene the High Priest asks Jesus whether he is the Son of the Blessed One. I think it's fair to say that can mean Son of God.
Jesus for the first and only time replies with no ambiguity or riddle. 'I am.' And goes on to say that the son of man will appear. In the 'I am' he takes on to be Yahweh's true representation. Yahweh's true power lies in his powerlessness as the trial shows.
So I don't think Mark is against Yahweh nor is he trying to redeem him. I think Mark is saying that this is the end time and all of Yahweh's institutions, the prophets, the Law and the temple are broken down and reconfigured in Jesus. This break down is violent and Yahweh is it's recipient. But the break down of the institutions is the break down of our interpretation. I think that's what Mark is doing, shattering the lenses of interpretation and asking us to search for the ex tenant of the empty tomb for our new lens.
Mark's story of the healed blind man who sees walking trees comes to mind.
Great question Sunil, it's
Great question Sunil, it's what Deryck Sheriffs asked me after reading this argument in an essay! I was trying to find my response to him, but have lost it.
The main distinction between this reference in the trial and the others is that the demons, the centurion, and Yahweh are all naming Jesus as 'Son of God'. It is like they are all trying to have power over him by pronouncing it as a title. When the High Priest asks Jesus whether he is the 'Son of the Blessed One', he is offering Jesus the freedom to own or reject this identity.
Jesus does own it, but immediately supplements it with a reference to himself as the Son of Man. For me this is a powerfully symbolic moment in the argument I am making. Jesus is indeed the Son of God. But not the 'God' that people thought. As soon as he is given the opportunity to own up to it, Jesus qualifies that relationship with God by framing his identity as Son of Man. It's a strategic confusion of the normal categories of discourse; the Son of God is also the Son of Man! The implication, therefore, is that we'll have to think differently about God's relationship with humanity.
Hi Matt I feel the need to
Hi Matt
I feel the need to respond to your criticism that for those of us who take the Bible as the inspired Word of God, who take seriously Paul’s admonition to Timothy that “All Scripture is God-breathed, and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Tim 3:16-17) then we are “treating the scriptures with kid gloves which is an insult to their life and depth”.
To argue as you are doing, that the Old Testament revelation of Yahweh given through the prophets was a false view of God, simply contradicts the New Testament teaching. The apostle Peter when talking about the prophets of the Old Testament says “Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Pe 1:20-21).
So this brings me to Isaiah, one of the prophets of whom Peter is speaking. You say “For anyone reading Isaiah has to ask what kind of God deliberately blinds people to his message so that he has justification for destroying their society.” To which I can only answer that when we receive a revelation of the Holiness of God, when we see that He is Holy, Holy, Holy, as did Isaiah, then we see that man has simply no answer before God, and like Isaiah we will be undone before this Holy God. We will see that men are “by nature, objects of God’s wrath” (Eph 2:3). The key question then is how does God express His wrath against man? Read Romans 1 and you will see that God’s wrath is expressed through abandoning man over to his sinful desires, shameful lusts and a depraved mind – minds unable to see the Truth. Read Romans 9-11 and you will see how God’s glory is revealed as He hardens Israel in her unbelief against the gospel, how His Glory is revealed as salvation now comes to the Gentiles, and how His Glory will be revealed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in and all Israel will be saved. And read the rest of Romans to see what a merciful God we serve who has provided a way of salvation through faith in Jesus and who He is and what He has done, and not because of any inherent goodness in ourselves. No wonder Paul concludes Romans 11 with such a great doxology!
And regarding your view of Joshua as to “look how easily people co-opt God to their own nationalistic ends” – I would argue that this is to completely ignore the wickedness of man. When God makes His covenant with Abraham he tells him “In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.” (Gen 15:16), and this is what was fulfilled through Joshua, thus God’s Promise to His people and His judgement on sin were both dealt with at the same time, which is exactly what we see happening on the cross.
Thanks for your robust
Thanks for your robust response Diana. I'll answer the first point now, and then the others is a separate reply.
There is a standard way to read 2 Tim 3:16-17, but I'm not sure it's the way with most integrity. To understand how scripture is God-breathed, I find it helpful to pose the following:
Imagine it's winter, and you're curled up on the sofa reading The Magician's Nephew (the first in the Narnia series). It's so cold outside that snow can barely fall; instead the window panes ice up in intricate patterns of fixed and detailed design. Jack Frost has been and breathed on your world.
You turn back to your book, and read on. Aslan appears in the land that would become Narnia. At the beginning of it all - before the wars and legends that were to come - he breathes. It's a deep and long breath, like the lowest, softest kind of roar. But from his breath emerges the dynamic creation the rest of story inhabits.
Which of these two types of breath - Jack Frost's or Aslan's - is more like the breath of God in the Bible?
For me there is no question that the answer is Aslan. And when Paul uses the phrase 'God-breathed' in Timothy, there is really no reason to understand that as 'fixed everything in tight and intricate patterns' and every reason to understand it as 'empowered and enlivened with the dynamic unpredictability of creation'.
So when I say that I see some people treating the Bible with kid gloves it's because I find many who are scared to damage the snowflakes when in fact God is longing for us to play in the rough-and-tumble warmth of his creative breath.
In terms of your quote from 2
In terms of your quote from 2 Peter, that is much harder to answer. I doubt the following will convince you, but it hopefully gives you a bit of context to how I approach these questions.
I think it is possible to make a case which says that 'Peter' is actually responding to the reading of Mark which I outline in this article. The context for the verse you quoted - as I'm sure you know - is that Peter is using his eyewitness statement about the voice of God from the clouds at the Transfiguration to add weight to his claim that Jesus will return in power, in contrast to 'cleverly devised stories' (2 Peter 1:16-18). When Peter endorses the divine authorship of prophecy it is possible that he is challenging Mark's gospel.
This is not an argument I would make with any force. But I think there is some evidence that this issue had become a point of disagreement within the early Christian movement.
Responding to that, then, is similar to responding to Joshua - you can bring out Abraham in support of Joshua, I can bring out others in opposition to violence. If there are competing ideas at work in the Bible then we need to find the tools to sort between them in our search of God.
For me, this is what makes the Bible real and relevant; it comes alive as we wrestle within its plotlines.
Hi Matt I will just make this
Hi Matt
I will just make this last comment.
It seems the heart of your complaint is that “For anyone reading Isaiah has to ask what kind of God deliberately blinds people to his message so that he has justification for destroying their society.” You try to defeat this argument by claiming Mark is setting out to dismiss the vision of Yahweh that Isaiah received.
Yet this is to ignore the fact that Jesus claims in EVERY SINGLE GOSPEL that he speaks in parables for exactly this reason. Matthew 13:10-15; Luke 8:9-10; and in John 12:37-41 we read: “Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: “Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere: “He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn—and I would heal them.” Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.” Note how John links Isaiah’s vision with Jesus himself!
In order to dimiss this fundamental biblical teaching that God’s judgement is expressed through blinding people to their predicament you have to throw out every single Gospel, and Romans as in my previous comment. And then in John 9:39 we read “Jesus said, ‘For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.’” And again, Paul says in 2 Thess:11-12 “For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.”
May God indeed have mercy on all of us and may He open our eyes that we might see clearly, hear the words of God, see a vision of the Almighty and fall prostrate before Him.
I remember years ago
I remember years ago receiving an email from a woman who had suffered from depression. She was convinced that God could not really love her; that above all else he was out to judge and condemn her. Though she believed that Jesus had died in her place, it did not convince her of God's love; at the end of the day it was a necessary measure to save her from a God who was so utterly horrified at her sin.
I received the email because I had preached a sermon in which I made a very simple claim that while it was true that we were each guilty of sin in our own way, the bigger truth was that we are each great; we are all full of goodness and love and compassion! And while it is true that God isn't happy about our sin, the bigger truth is that he is extremely happy about every single one of us; he loves and celebrates us and believes in our capacity for good. This perspective had unlocked something in her theology, and played a part in helping her journey away from depression.
I think about that woman a lot when I think about the consequences of theology. The simple fact is that if God does actually blind people from the truth and condemn them as a result then I am simply not interested in him! I would rather become an atheist and resist his every advance with all my energy than profess to follow a God whose callous indifference is so repressive to our human experience. And if at the last judgement he strikes my face as punishment then I will defy him and offer my other cheek also.
But I don't believe that God is anything other than exuberant love - one of the few beliefs I would die for. And the bottom line in constructing theology from the Bible is that our preconceptions drive our interpretations. I won't pretend that isn't true for me; my reading of Mark is definitely influenced by what I'm hoping to find. But to anyone who tells me that God is in the business of blinding people I say that reading is the result of a choice. And you don't have to choose to see God that way.
I remember your sermon and my
I remember your sermon and my response to it very well, Matt. You are quite right, I was in a pit spiritually-speaking, feeling condemned by the weight of my sin. I was unable to receive God’s love for me at that time. Hearing you preach this “new gospel” was most appealing, and I grabbed at it, and it did indeed provide a temporary relief.
However...as I compared it against scripture, as the Bereans did (Acts 17:11), I realised it was unbiblical. For the scripture does not teach that “we are each great...God is extremely happy about every single one of us”. Rather, it teaches that our hearts are deceitful and beyond cure (Jer 17:9), and outside of Christ we are dead in our sins (Eph 2:1), deserving of God’s wrath (Eph 2:3), ungodly (Rom 5:6), enemies of God (Rom 5:10), controlled by the sinful nature (Rom 7:5), slaves to sin (Rom 6:20), living in darkness (Eph 5:8), alienated from God (Col 1:21) separate from Christ, without hope, and without God (Eph 2:12).
The reason I felt condemned by the weight of my sin was that whilst I was feeling the heat of God’s holy law and my shortcomings in the light of that law, I needed to hear the gospel message. I needed to hear the good news that Jesus had come and lived a perfect, sinless life in full submission to His Father, that He had fulfilled the law on my behalf, that He then laid down His life on the cross to pay the penalty for my failure to obey the law, that He was then resurrected to enable me to be reconciled to my Heavenly Father, and is now ascended at the right hand of the Father where He is now interceding on my behalf. I needed to hear this good news, Matt, but I wasn’t hearing it. Instead I was hearing sermons about how we needed to do more, live better lives, and make God more attractive to unbelievers through our transformed lives. And so I was crushed more and more under the burden of trying to earn God’s love.
The last 3 years or so I have focused my attention on Jesus Christ and Him crucified, whose glory Isaiah saw and spoke of, and I can now see all that God has done for me in Christ. For those who repent of their sins and believe in Him we are new creations (2 Cor 5:17), justified by faith (Gal 2:16), redeemed, forgiven (Eph 1:7), saved (2 Tim 2:10), sanctified (1 Cor 1:2), sons of God (Gal 3:26). We have been marked with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13), we have been given righteousness (Phil 3:8), freedom (Gal 2:4), grace (2 Tim 1:9), joy (Phil 1:26), peace (Phil 4:7), and fullness (Col 2:10). We are raised up and seated with Christ in the heavenly realms (Eph 2:6)!
And the amazing thing is that as I have fixed my eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of my faith, I see that Jesus has defeated sin, has paid the penalty for sin, has saved me from my sin, has set me free from the law of sin and death, His blood purifies me from all sin, and He is my Advocate if I sin. And I am now able to receive God’s wondrous amazing love for me, and I am truly lost in wonder that He would give up His very own Beloved Son to die for my sins, for my attention is now on Christ, rather than being on me.
So yes, I absolutely agree with you, there are deep consequences to our theology. Which is why I believe passionately with all my heart that the church needs to preach Christ and Him crucified.
You've called my bluff,
You've called my bluff, Diana! I meant that comment to be an anonymous story. But it was for you, and I have no good comeback to your reply.
I am so genuinely pleased if you have found in Jesus that peace and forgiveness and love. That is what I was so keen to communicate all those years ago, but I understand why you believe my message was a denial of what you have quoted from the Bible. Maybe in another time we will get the chance to explore this conversation in person. But what you have written reminds me that, while we approach our theology very differently and believe different things, we share a love for Jesus and a fundamental commitment to Jesus death and resurrection as world-changing events, the proclamation of which is a sacred task we share. I hope that in the coming years we will come to understand one another in greater depth.
Yours, in Christ
Matt
Redefining 'sin' Redefining
Redefining 'sin'
Redefining sin
I read these two posts with great interest as they touch on the heart of the gospel and our understanding of self.
I know enough theology to have heard the calvanist doctrine of the 'total depravity of man'. It seems to conflict with theology of self-esteem and personal development I've encountered particularly in the charismatic church.
Surely both are true. We are corrupted. But we are loved. The simplest heart of the gospel is the phrase: God so loved the world he gave his only son. Would he love a world without value, without beauty?
I've become dissatisfied with the rather individualist doctrine of salvation preached in the evangelical church. Christ died for me, for my sins. Did he? Didn't he die for the 'kosmos' (John 3:16) - ie the whole of creation, the entire glorious, complex, flawed universe in which we live.
On the eve of the millennium in 1999 I visited communities in Rwanda torn apart by the genocide five years earlier. A time when ordinary neighbours, many of them good church-going people, were persuaded to turn on their neighbours in a frenzy of murder. Genocide: the naked expression of humanity's evil.
I completely accept that I share the fallen nature of humanity. Given different education, upbringing, religious indoctrination would I be any different from a suicide bomber, rapist or genocidal neighbour? In my life are the seeds of that same evil, that crouches waiting to take me. However I see more folly and insecurity than downright pure evil in my deeds and remain unconvinced by efforts to persuade me that I am truly evil.
Timothy Keller, the (I believe Calvanist) influential preacher and author, teaches we are not so much separated from God by our sins than by our 'damnable good deeds' - the misplaced motives and sense of self-righteousness found as often in the church than outside it. It is only when we understand who we are as part of God's redeemed cosmos - new creation - that we can live the life God wants, free from guilt, free from regret, not worrying about a thousand minor sins, but focusing on Christ the author and perfecter of our faith.
I believe we need to help redefine the word 'sin' for a generation for which it has become a meaningless word - tied to utterly outdated moral structure. 'Evangelism' which involves telling decent, nice people they are evil doesn't seem to capture the respectful, story-telling approach of Jesus.
I believe that Christ's extreme suffering only makes sense in the totality of all of flawed humanity's evil. The price paid to buy back the universe and all the suffering, murder and mayhem it contains. A high price - and therefore a price paid for something valuable. And that includes me.
Thanks, Tim. That's such a
Thanks, Tim. That's such a helpful and profound post in the context of this conversation.